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In this episode of Habits for Humans with Kim Flynn, we discuss how to be your own hero through healing meditation practices using the hero’s journey.
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Kim Flynn: 0:04
hi, and welcome to habits for humans. The podcast that explains what makes people tick and how to program this brain of ours to do what we want it to do instead of what it wants to do, which is oftentimes wander. We’re going to be talking a lot about that today with our lovely guest and one of my very dear friends, her name’s Becky Davidson. I’ll introduce you to her in a minute, but we are going to explore why we can sometimes, and in some areas of our life achieve extraordinary accomplishments. And at other times we’re addicted to Cheetos and watching TV. If we want to be healthy and happy, what is the secret to programming this brain of ours to maximize our potential?
I’m your host, Kim Flynn. And today we’re going to be talking about a different type of healing meditation. So I don’t know what your experience with healing meditation is, whether you’ve tried to do the Zen out and not have any thoughts. Um, that’s a very frequent type of meditation. Uh, today, we’re going to talk about something new and different that I’d actually never heard of before, before meeting Becky. And it’s a hero’s journey practice. I’ve been trying it. I love it. If meditation for you has been hard or difficult or like, oh, I can’t do it, or, oh, I’m not good at it, I’m super excited to introduce you to Becky because she has a different way of meditating. It’s using story as an alternative type of meditation. And she’s going to talk about how the power of telling story or having meditative journey practice can really help you manage stress and overwhelm.
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INTRODUCTION OF OUR GUEST FOR HEALING MEDITATION
I am so excited to introduce Becky Davidson to you. So Becky P Davidson is a former assistant English professor. She’s a researcher, a writer, and long-time healing meditation practitioner. And can I just tell you she’s one of the smartest people. I know she has a vocabulary. That is not to be rivaled. So don’t be surprised if there are several different vocabulary words you need to quickly look up during our, during our interview today, she has created and recorded nearly 80 pieces of meditation content on her beautiful site, low to miss.com. Uh, all of which center around the idea of the archetypal hero’s journey, her brand low to miss combined guided meditation, lush soundscapes, uh, which carry the listener into VR like journey experiences. It’s world-building uh, sorry. Will world building meets meditation and it is transformative. So Becky welcome. We’re going to start out with, what is your number one habit to manage your own mental wellness.
Becky Davidson: 3:16
You know what I love rituals. I will have to say that
Kim Flynn: 3:19
that ritualizing some
Becky Davidson: 3:22
daily practices, whether it’s. How I get up in the morning, what I eat when I get up, how I meditate. I tend to do things in the same order every day, and I tend to do them the same way. And there’s something really beautiful about. Having a ritual. That you can use to sort of inaugurate your day. And started off. In the way that you wanted to go.
Kim Flynn: 3:47
I love the idea of rituals. You know, I love habits. Uh, in general, talk to us about specifics. I want to hear from like a real, like, Like, I think of you as like a real meditator, like I’m like playing around, you’re like the real deal. Right. So walk me through like what your ritual is in the morning and where meditation fits in that ritual.
Becky Davidson: 4:07
Sure. Well, usually I get up.
Kim Flynn: 4:09
up. I
Becky Davidson: 4:10
get up early. There’s something really magical about the very early hours. I get myself a little drink, um, a sip on that for a while, and then I prepare to meditate. My.
Kim Flynn: 4:21
Vodka. What kind of drink are we doing?
Becky Davidson: 4:23
Well, there you go. No, I’m a mixologist for sure. but it tends to be something hot and if the chocolate variety.
Kim Flynn: 4:29
Got it.
Becky Davidson: 4:30
sit on that. And I sort of set intentions for my day. And then when I’m done. Sipping. I have a spot on my bed. That’s where I currently meditate. And I prop up several pillows. I try to keep my back straight dish. I. I’m not so worked up about my meditation posture that I. Um, That I go too crazy, but I like to have my back as straight as I can keep it. And I tend to just fold my legs into a kind of a cross-legged position. And, uh, I close my eyes. Some people will meditate with the eyes open, but the gaze soft, I just like my eyes closed. That’s the way my brain reads that it’s meditation time. So again, back straight legs crossed. Uh, eyes closed. And I have several different practices that I use sort of, depending on my mood. If I’m feeling a little anxious, sometimes I will use my transcendental meditation.
Kim Flynn: 5:26
mantra.
Becky Davidson: 5:27
just a single word. It has no meaning. It’s just pure sound. But I’ve been practicing transcendental meditation among several other practices and techniques for, um, several years now. And that will really call me if I’m feeling anxious, just the repetition of that one word mantra. Is enough to signal to my system that it’s okay to. Settle down and I can feel myself just sort of settle in and begin to relax. So that’s a powerful way To begin a day. If you’re anxious with some kind of a mantra. I also love to do a healing meditation.
Kim Flynn: 6:07
I got to stop you. I got to stop you for a second. Cause there’s so many good things that just happened. Um, and I’ve got to review them and ask you more questions about them because I’m like, you don’t realize like for people who don’t speak German, you’re speaking fluent German. And I’m like, wait, wait, wait, what does that word mean?
Becky Davidson: 6:22
Sure.
USING A MANTRA WITH HEALING MEDITATION
Kim Flynn: 6:22
So I love, first of all, that you have a place that you go to. It’s always your bed. It’s always the pillows propped. It’s a place that you start the habit, you start the habit. I think that’s so important to have a dedicated place and it doesn’t need to be, um, sometimes you hear of people who wanted to get started in meditation. One of like build this whole like meditative, like I don’t know, pillows and all kinds of Moroccan theme stuff. And they feel like they have to bedazzle their house. You just do it on your bed with some prop pillows. I love the place. I love the ritual of sipping. I think that’s beautiful. Kind of gets you into that space so that you can. Then go into meditation signifies to your brain. Yes, I’m ready to start meditating. And then I love the, the third thing you said is permission to not be perfect. Um, you, you are not in like this, um, perfect Yogi position. It’s like whatever you’re feeling, which I love. And then talk to us more about a transcendental meditation. What is it, what does that mean? Give us some more details on that.
Becky Davidson: 7:21
Sure. You know, that’s a practice actually that I feel like you
Kim Flynn: 7:24
like you need.
Becky Davidson: 7:25
Legitimate guidance forum. I
Kim Flynn: 7:27
I have an instructor at, uh,
Becky Davidson: 7:28
me how to meditate using a mantra. And. The mantra is something that is given from the instructor to the students.
Kim Flynn: 7:37
Oh, wow.
Becky Davidson: 7:38
you necessarily
Kim Flynn: 7:39
Yeah. Um, So
Becky Davidson: 7:42
something powerful about. A mantra. The. The translation of mantra is mind, tool, mind, tool. And that’s exactly what a mantra is. It’s a kind of technology for teaching your brain. That you’re going to be starting into. Uh, a practice now it signals to me for example, that it’s okay to relax a little. It’s okay. To. Settle into my spot and. It really honestly, after three years, of practicing my transcendental meditation, my mantra has become for me a kind of. Um, Uh, almost like a security blanket. I feel very safe when I begin to repeat that in my mind, and I can feel my nervous system. Start to regulate if it was dysregulated at all. And I just, uh, I feel my stress level in my anxiety kind of dial down. And I begin to relax. So it’s a very powerful mind tool or technology for. Um, Just settling into a state that’s much more relaxed and open.
Kim Flynn: 8:50
So, let me ask you this. Um, so I’ve always heard of transcendental meditation. You hear it referenced quite a bit in healing meditation stuff. Um, can you walk us through, and I, we’re not asking you to give us a whole course in healing meditation or in transcendental meditation, but can you like, are you allowed to share your word or is it like, no, it’s your it’s just for you. Can you like, um, and my dog is freaking out in the background here. The doorbell just rang. But can you like tell us like what that would even look like? Just so we can get an idea. If we want to explore transcendental meditation more.
Becky Davidson: 9:24
You know, The word is something that I revealed. Um, but you know, anybody who’s curious could probably with a little bit of preliminary research, find out what the mantras are. It depends on when your instructor was given his mantra.
Kim Flynn: 9:38
or her.
Becky Davidson: 9:38
and my instructor was given his mantra. If I remember right. Maybe back in the early seventies. He studied with Maharishi who studied with Gurudev. Um, so there’s a definite lineage there and I, I love
Kim Flynn: 9:52
that.
Becky Davidson: 9:52
With that lineage comes sort of the, um, All of the teachings, all of the practice, sort of all of the collective wisdom of people who do that form of meditation.
Kim Flynn: 10:03
Yeah.
Becky Davidson: 10:04
So, no, I don’t, I don’t reveal. my mantra, But anybody who’s serious. about it could, um, could undertake to learn transcendental meditation. You would need an instructor.
Kim Flynn: 10:13
Okay. Got it. So it’s not something that you’re going to learn. Uh, on your own.
Becky Davidson: 10:18
No. In fact, that’s one of the few practices I, um, didn’t learn on my own. The other practices. I’ve taught myself, but TM is something that I needed a guide for. And been really grateful for him.
Kim Flynn
Got it. That makes sense. All right. So talk to us about. Um, so you said sometimes you do transcendental meditation. Sometimes you do other types of healing meditation. What are the other types that you do?
ALTERNATIVE TYPES OF HEALING MEDITATION
Becky Davidson: 10:43
So, you know, some of my earliest guides were actually authored teachers whose books I decided to invest in. And read and study. I’ve read some of my books two and three times almost like devotional texts. They just become really important to me. Um, One of the people I would call a mentor, although I’ve never met him, personally is Jack Kornfield. And If you. know Jack at all, Um, he studied healing meditation uh, for many years in Southeast Asia. I want to say that he studied in Thailand. Um, with a renowned meditation instructor. I believe he studied in Burma. I’m not a hundred percent certain about that. But he writes a book, a very beautiful book called a path with heart.
And I was given that book as a gift. Yeah. when I was really ready to undertake to meditate, I, I thought I’ve got to have. to have some kind of a guide. And so I started into that book.
Kim Flynn: 11:38
And the
Becky Davidson: 11:38
of learning from Jack was really transformative for me at the time I was dealing with some fairly significant anxiety. And when he talks, for example, about confronting your demons and naming them. As a way of reckoning with the things that frighten you or that make you anxious. I found that so powerful.
Kim Flynn: 12:01
Would you mind giving us an example in your life of a demon that you had to name? Are we talking bells above or what are we talking here?
Becky Davidson: 12:08
I mean, you know, there, there. It’s a metaphorical term, obviously. And
Kim Flynn: 12:13
So
Becky Davidson: 12:14
describes anything that
Kim Flynn: 12:16
for
Becky Davidson: 12:17
personally, is
Kim Flynn: 12:19
pesky
Becky Davidson: 12:19
troublesome, problematic. Anything that triggers you or makes you anxious? Anxiety has been one of my demons. It’s a sort of generational demon that has plagued, um, people in my family for, for a long time. And my people have tended to Medicaid. Uh, their anxiety with alcohol and other substances. And I didn’t want to do that. And so meditation for me was a way of.
Kim Flynn: 12:45
Reckoning with my anxiety.
Becky Davidson: 12:48
And so when it comes up by name it.
Kim Flynn: 12:50
Yeah, it’s
Becky Davidson: 12:51
one of my demons. It probably always will be. And I’ll say, oh, there you are anxiety. I see you.
Kim Flynn: 12:58
So for me, I think my demons are, um, well, among many inpatients, incredibly impatient, I just get so like, let’s move, let’s move, you know, that kind of thing. So in that scenario would in, in a, and I love, I wrote that book down a path with heart. Um, would, would Jack have you Jack cornfield, would he have you say, okay. Her, her name and patients is Gloria, or we were talking about that kind of naming and patients are naming the demons.
Becky Davidson: 13:23
You know, what if, if one of your demons is inpatients,
Kim Flynn: 13:27
then you
Becky Davidson: 13:27
simply. see it coming. And name it
Kim Flynn: 13:31
for what it
Becky Davidson: 13:31
you would say ah, inpatients, here we go. We’re having a reckoning. Um, do you want to stay. You know, pull up a
Kim Flynn: 13:37
The chair. So you let them stay. You invite them to stay the.
Becky Davidson: 13:41
powerful too. Um, To recognize what you’re looking at and
Kim Flynn: 13:47
not to
Becky Davidson: 13:47
to run from it. Escape. Um, when you know that it’s there. And you don’t push it away. Suddenly you are less captive
Kim Flynn: 14:00
to it. And
Becky Davidson: 14:01
one of the things
Kim Flynn: 14:02
that
Becky Davidson: 14:03
into a practice when you know, you’re reckoning with one of your demons. Gives you is a way of being with it without wanting to escape from it. Be somewhere else. uh, without having some kind of a freakout, uh, the healing meditation allows you simply to be with what you otherwise would find unbearable. And eventually you find that. That will move through. You.
Kim Flynn: 14:30
And
Becky Davidson: 14:31
might take a few minutes. It might take. you know, the duration of your practice for that day. But. These emotions. move through us. And most of us don’t realize that.
Kim Flynn: 14:42
That’s really beautiful. The emotional, my dog is my dog is exercising inpatients right now. And I’m, and I’m actually, as you’re talking because I’m like, oh no, I’m doing a podcast. And my dog is freaking out. So I’m sitting here doing, as you’re saying it, I’m like, no, I’m just going to sit with us. I’m deeply uncomfortable. I, my dog is freaking out and I want to fix it. And so I’m just naming that. I’m like, I am deeply uncomfortable with wanting to fix it.
Becky Davidson: 15:10
There you go.
Kim Flynn: 15:12
That is such a beautiful practice. Talk to us about. Uh, your hero’s journey practice. And have you heard of this before? Did you just invent this? Um, I have listened to many of your hero’s journey. Uh, healing meditation. They are beautiful. Absolutely loved them. And it’s like healing meditation without any work. You just sit there, you don’t have to like, you know, focus your brain or. You know, constantly remind yourself to come back or anything like that. You’re just, you’re just going along in a journey. Tell us about how you stumbled upon the hero’s journey. Practice. Sure.
Becky Davidson: 15:46
Um, well, I have taken up a healing meditation practice. But a year before I. Began using it as a way to. Um, teach my kids to meditate. I had a daughter in particular who, when she was about 16
Kim Flynn: 16:00
was really overwhelmed.
Becky Davidson: 16:02
Really anxious. She had a friend who was dealing with some suicidal ideation. She herself was.
Kim Flynn: 16:10
Um,
Becky Davidson: 16:12
In school. Maxed out with homework, trying to hit all the marks on her college resume. And one night she came and found me in my room. And she was. Um,
Kim Flynn: 16:25
Just.
Becky Davidson: 16:26
Sort of overwrought there. It was too much for her to process really. And I thought to myself,
Kim Flynn: 16:33
You know, with this.
Becky Davidson: 16:33
They see a woman could really benefit from a healing meditation. Um, moment, but I didn’t really know how to help stage that for her in the mood state that she was in. And so I said, you know what? Come sit with me. We’ll sit on the, on the bench at the foot of my bed. And so we sort of
Kim Flynn: 16:52
of
Becky Davidson: 16:53
sat together. We both crossed our legs.
Kim Flynn: 16:56
And I
Becky Davidson: 16:57
I’m going to do a healing meditation with you. But you don’t need to worry about anything, except just letting your mind go where the story takes you. And so by hanging the healing meditation on a story, I was able to guide her into this moment. You know, she’s a lover of fairies and all things.
Kim Flynn: 17:17
Very
Becky Davidson: 17:18
And so I.
Kim Flynn: 17:19
Isn’t who doesn’t love the fairies. Right. Um, and I cast
Becky Davidson: 17:24
as, a, journeyer starting into a forest and then sort of working her way into a little meadow where there was an. Uh, wounded ferry who was, um, lying prostrate on the ground with her face pressed to the ground. And as I’m telling this story, you know, I’m trying to create this experience that feels like, um, a legitimate world that she’s stepped into. So I realized I was kind of world-building as I went. But
Kim Flynn: 17:50
I, I
Becky Davidson: 17:51
her to imagine stars wheeling across the sky. Um, I asked her to imagine that she was standing right there. Um, as this ferry is suffering. And as my daughters. you know, imagining this experience, I asked her to, to
Kim Flynn: 18:08
sort of
Becky Davidson: 18:08
that.
Kim Flynn: 18:09
that.
Becky Davidson: 18:09
The Ferry’s wings had sheared off. leaving her shoulder blades. You know, wounded. so I had her imagine reaching out to sort of touch the ferry. And as soon as she put her hand on the ferries back, I asked her to imagine witnessing new wings, sprouting from the shoulders of this creature. And then I asked her to imagine that the theory had disappeared. And all of a sudden wings were sprouting from her own shoulder blades. And. pumping and lifting her up. And sort of, um, carrying her up into the air. So it was an imaginal experience. It was a first person. Sort of world-building experience where she was the main character, the journey or the avatar.
Kim Flynn: 18:56
Setting off.
Becky Davidson: 18:57
Um, to find this wounded creature and then sort of healing her. And by way of that healing, healing herself. It was a story meditation basically. And when we were done. She was crying. And she asked if she could crawl into my lap. She asked me to hold her. And so.
Kim Flynn: 19:18
I
Becky Davidson: 19:18
her up. all five feet, probably nine of her. uh, I think nine at the time. Yeah, she would. She’s tall. but I held her for a while until she was done crying. And that exercise in some ways was so powerful. And so transformative that.
Kim Flynn: 19:35
She asked for
Becky Davidson: 19:36
do it again on a couple of occasions. And I started to think, you know what, maybe there’s something here maybe for somebody who
Kim Flynn: 19:44
who could really
Becky Davidson: 19:45
from a healing meditation moment, but doesn’t have the mental or emotional bandwidth. To really sit.
Kim Flynn: 19:52
For a
Becky Davidson: 19:53
which might feel. More monastic. where you’re just concentrating on your breath. For example, I think that’s too much sometimes for somebody who’s in the middle of.
Kim Flynn: 20:03
Maybe a
Becky Davidson: 20:04
attack or a moment of anxiety. That’s very overwhelming. And so I continued to do these story meditations, um, for my daughter. and especially for her younger brother, my son, who was in a gifted program at the time, and really struggling to keep up with the work. Um, I did, I did these almost every night for him and they always involved him setting off on some kind of journey. And. frequently there was an animal, a trusty dog at one point named faultless who was part, dog part Wolf. And. these were moments when I could.
Kim Flynn: 20:40
Create
Becky Davidson: 20:41
a meditative experience by way of a hero’s journey story. And my young listener would be the hero journey or. Um, I eventually sort of took the practice on the road and
Kim Flynn: 20:53
beta
Becky Davidson: 20:53
it with a group of middle
Kim Flynn: 20:55
grade boys. At the
Becky Davidson: 20:57
mental hospital. down in Provo, Utah. Did that for
Kim Flynn: 21:00
for a year.
Becky Davidson: 21:01
And
Kim Flynn: 21:02
then
Becky Davidson: 21:02
tested it on another
Kim Flynn: 21:03
group of
Becky Davidson: 21:04
graders at a different school in, uh, north Utah county. So I had some evidence that the practice was really helping young people managed. Um, their mood states a little more effectively. And then we. uh, took the practice up to. um, Brigham young university, Idaho campus and Rexburg. And tested it with a group of college students who were looking for a project for a design thinking class. So they were learning about marketing and design thinking. And they listen to most of the catalog as it was them. And many of
Kim Flynn: 21:43
of them said,
Becky Davidson: 21:44
we want this practice. We want to do this. So at that point as a company, we pivoted. um, and decided to focus on a slightly older audience. But the idea of the hero’s journey has been the same all along. There’s always a listener avatar who gets to have a kind of effortless meditation experience. By way of a journey story that features
Kim Flynn: 22:06
them as the hero journey or. That is so beautiful. I love that it started with your children. Like that’s, that’s how it all came about. Uh, what was in front of you right then? Um, someone who couldn’t meditate in that space and that’s where the business and where the. The whole idea of loaded mascot starters with your children. That’s so beautiful. Um, I love that you used the word effortless. It’s effortless meditation. Um, and I also love faultless the dog. That’s so sweet. So sweet and so human. So, what advice would you give to someone who was like, yeah, I want to start meditating, but I can’t get into it or I’m not good at it. You hear that a lot, right? How can be bad at meditation, right. What advice would you give to them?
Becky Davidson: 22:58
I think for somebody who wants to undertake.
Kim Flynn: 23:01
A serious meditation practice.
Becky Davidson: 23:03
Um, For the price of a few books, you can teach yourself.
Kim Flynn: 23:08
I did,
Becky Davidson: 23:08
I think anybody could. And although I have a research background, which really helped me kind of establish who the authorities were in the space and that’s what kind of helped me decide. Who is content I wanted to move toward. I really believe that anybody who’s serious about undertaking to meditate could teach themselves. I feel though, like most people are
Kim Flynn: 23:29
are so
Becky Davidson: 23:30
massively distracted by their tech. And by. Just the business of living in this very fraught world and time
Kim Flynn: 23:39
where
Becky Davidson: 23:39
so much division. So much. Um, othering. People have so much contempt for worldviews that are different from their own.
Kim Flynn: 23:49
Yeah. And I
Becky Davidson: 23:50
it makes it difficult for people to practice just the ancient art of stillness. People have trouble
Kim Flynn: 23:56
being still. And I’ve wondered if.
Becky Davidson: 24:00
You know, there wouldn’t be a, a detractor or two who would say to me, how could this be real meditation? If. If your story does all the work for somebody. And in reality with these narratives, but I’ve
Kim Flynn: 24:12
I’ve been
Becky Davidson: 24:13
on building with my team and of course they did a.
Kim Flynn: 24:15
the
Becky Davidson: 24:16
Foley work and the musical underscores. the goal is to move
Kim Flynn: 24:21
through a
Becky Davidson: 24:22
in order to capture the wisdom at the journey’s end. And.
Kim Flynn: 24:28
That
Becky Davidson: 24:28
of capturing wisdom in a way that feels very real and embodied. because you’re in this story, imagining yourself as the journey or avatar. It’s very powerful. Some people fall asleep right away, I think because we’re also exhausted. And, um,
Kim Flynn: 24:44
and
Becky Davidson: 24:45
I do have listeners who will use this as a way of putting themselves to sleep. Apparently it’s that relaxing?
Kim Flynn: 24:51
But really. Yes. Go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, that’s, that’s beautiful. I love the phrase. Uh, we have so much contempt of the, the world of worldviews that are not our own these days. And I love thinking about meditation as a way to. Um, if not cure that lesson, that in and allow us to have patience for other people’s worldviews. I think it’s so beautiful. Um, we want to do a giveaway from you. Um, we have a discount code to use at dot com. Um, watch for that in the show notes on habits for humans.com. If you’re listening to this on a podcast platform, go to habit habits for humans.com. Find Becky Davidson and you’ll find the discount code there and the link to her beautiful website. So Becky, thank you so much. As we wrap up, remember the. I can’t talk as we wrap things up reminder that the goal of this podcast is to program your brain, to start instilling systems and habits into your daily life. And a habit of meditation is a really beautiful practice. It’s not about what you know, it’s about what you do. Starting one very small step at a time. Maybe the step could be, get something hot to sip. Um, fluff some pillows on your bed and sit up straight. Right. We also have a giveaway from our sponsor card salad, uh, go to habits for humans.com and just underneath the video. And the audio recording is a signup for a free seven day eat real foods challenge. This is seven days of recipes. Uh, meal planning done for you. And habit cards to start you into a practice of taking care of your body and eating real foods, cooking real foods every night. And so check us [email protected] and sign up for, from that giveaway from card salad. Our next episode, we’re continuing to explore a habits and a healthy living, and we’re going to have Alicia hill on. She’s going to talk to us about intuitive eating and here’s the shocker. How being healthy can actually be harming your health. And so watch for that in our next episode. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you, Becky, for joining us. Thanks to our listeners. This is habits for humans, the podcast that teaches you how to program your brain to maximize your potential. A reminder to get your free taste of the eat. Well, pro. Program on habits for humans.com. And start your seven day eat real foods challenge. Thanks in advance for giving us a positive review and you have a wonderful day. Thanks so much, everyone.