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In this episode of Habits for Humans with Kim Flynn, we discuss how “being healthy” can actually harm your health. Health is much bigger than your body weight. Being healthy includes your mental, emotional and social health. When you buy into diet culture, you sacrifice your overall health in order to temporarily be skinny.

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TRANSCRIPT: Healthy Habits Podcast

[00:00:00] Kim Flynn: Hi, and welcome to habits for humans. The podcast that explores what makes people tick and how to program this brain of ours to do what we want it to do, because it is programmable. Uh, we’re going to explore. Uh, why we can sometimes, and in some areas of our lives achieve extraordinary accomplishments and in other areas, and other times we don’t get much done and have a hard time getting off the couch. If we want to be healthy and happy, what is the secret to programming our brain to maximize our potential?
I’m your host Kim Flynn. Today, we’re going to talk to Alicia hill and we’re going to talk about how being healthy can actually be harming our health. So she is an intuitive eating, uh, expert and. And, uh, I talked to her briefly. Uh, before this podcast and she challenged me to. I love this because intuitive eating is a principle that I learned about years ago. Maybe you had the same experience. It was really hot. What? 10, 15 years ago.
And I read the book and I [00:01:00] was so excited about it and I lost weight and I was like, yay, this is the secret. And then of course I fell off the bandwagon and started dieting again and doing everything that intuitive eating tells me not to do. I’ve stopped dieting completely, um, and have been much more happy with my life.
But I was talking to Alicia and saying, okay, um, I still have the temptation to diet. I still am like, oh man, if I could just lose 10 pounds and I would suddenly be, you know, something different than I am. And she was so gracious to me. She said that is completely normal. And I was like, oh, I’m not bad or broken.
So I’m so excited to get in the nitty gritty with Alicia and talk about how this being healthy can actually be harming our health. I think that’s one example. If I’m obsessed about, oh, I’m not allowed to even think about dieting or else I’m a bad person. That can actually be harming my health. Alicia, you’ve already made a dent in my, uh, dent, in my impact in my, a dent in my universe. I don’t know what those phrases.
So. [00:02:00] Yeah. You know what I mean? We have a giveaway for our listeners at the end. We actually have a giveaway from Alicia as well as our sponsor card salad and a quick word from our sponsor card salad. Um, habits for humans is brought to you by At a health and wellness company that teaches you how to program your brain using systems and habits. Their flagship product is eat well. It’s a meal planning system and it trains you in eating habits to last a lifetime. We’ll talk more about at the end.
Uh, but if you’re interested, go to card salad.com. I want to welcome Alicia. Alicia is a certified, intuitive eating counselor, as well as a yoga and group fitness instructor. She has a bachelor’s in social work and she’s lived in six states. She currently lives in Utah with her husband and four children and her superpower. I love this is being able to tread water indefinitely.
So if you’re ever capsized on a boat, Alicia is your girl. That’s that’s who you want to have with you. So Alicia let’s get started. Welcome. [00:03:00] Uh, we always start with your number one habit to manage your own mental wellness. And, uh, talk to us about the practice you do to manage the stress of daily life.
[00:03:10] Alicia Hill: Thank you. Thank you. It’s so good to be here.
Um,
honestly, the number one habit I have, and this affects my mental health more than anything. And it’s going to sound really
[00:03:20] Kim Flynn: really silly, but if
[00:03:21] Alicia Hill: eat food. I eat food.
I don’t restrict.
And I honor my hunger and my cravings.
and I move on with my life. Yeah.
[00:03:31] Kim Flynn: I’m so saddened by, um, if you’re ever in a group of women, especially. Um, we’re always talking about what diets we’re going to go on, what challenges we’re taking, what you know, new extreme, uh, Behavior. We’re going to do, talk to us about that and why that is unhealthy.
Yeah.
[00:03:52] Alicia Hill: The words you said was saddened by that. I, it saddens me too, because I, I hear those conversations and I think, goodness [00:04:00] gracious. We are. Not put in this length.
[00:04:03] Kim Flynn: too.
[00:04:04] Alicia Hill: Micromanage our bodies. You know, it’s like, we’re, we’re so much bigger than that. We have such a bigger purpose in
[00:04:09] Kim Flynn: in our life.
[00:04:10] Alicia Hill: so.
[00:04:11] Kim Flynn: It it
[00:04:12] Alicia Hill: affect your health in so many ways. And I love how you use quotation marks for healthy at the beginning.
Because I have to do that when I’m talking about health, because health has been hijacked. Bye. Uh, culture.
The word health. Isn’t really what it’s a health is a state of wellbeing. And so we die.
Culture is turned health into.
[00:04:30] Kim Flynn: The
[00:04:31] Alicia Hill: and shape and your appearance.
And every single bite you put into your mouth. And I think anyone who’s been on a diet can know, especially repeatedly. For a long periods of time throughout their life.
What a life suck. I call diets lifestyle.
[00:04:44] Kim Flynn: like sex.
[00:04:45] Alicia Hill: They just suck the life out of you
[00:04:47] Kim Flynn: and that can’t,
[00:04:49] Alicia Hill: help effect all the other aspects of actual health actual health has to be inclusive. You have to include your mental health, your emotional health, your social health. And so what diet culture.
Has [00:05:00] done has a pinpointed all of our work and all of our efforts into manipulating. Our body size and making us think that that’s what
[00:05:06] Kim Flynn: what makes us
[00:05:07] Alicia Hill: And like I said, anyone who’s been on has a history of dieting knows how. Badly that affects all the rest of our health.
[00:05:17] Kim Flynn: Um, I love, I’ve actually never heard this principle before, um, that your definition of health includes mental, emotional and social health. That makes so much sense. We are not talking about that in terms of health. Well, a little bit post COVID, we’re talking about our mental health, which finally right.
Um, but yes, when you think about, okay, I’m a healthy whole human, not just a healthy body. I love that principle. How do you, um, how do you, um, balance. The the, um, okay. I do. Uh, you know, if I weigh 300 pounds, I really am not body healthy right. With, okay. Let’s be happy and love our 300 pound body. Like how do you, how do you balance those two thoughts?
[00:05:59] Alicia Hill: [00:06:00] So.
[00:06:01] Kim Flynn: Again,
[00:06:02] Alicia Hill: of diet culture, we have equated health with weight. And they aren’t the same thing. You can be healthy at any size. Health is.
Made up of behaviors. That we do, and weight is not a behavior.
So, yeah. It’s not a behavior.
So if you really want to affect your health and make improvements in your health, it’s
[00:06:24] Kim Flynn: it’s about your
[00:06:26] Alicia Hill: It has nothing to do with your weight, honestly.
and there are so. If you were just going to base your health based on your weight and losing weight. 95% of diets fail. Within two to five years, 95% of people will have gained that weight back. And two thirds of those people will have gained even more weight back. And so it’s just not a way to really instill lifelong health.
Is just by looking at wait, you
[00:06:51] Kim Flynn: you have to
[00:06:52] Alicia Hill: at your behaviors and
[00:06:53] Kim Flynn: that
[00:06:54] Alicia Hill: where you will see the changes.
internally and maybe externally.
but really [00:07:00] internally is where your authentic health lives.
[00:07:02] Kim Flynn: Uh, Alicia, I love that phrase. Health is behavior. Um, I know whenever I get sucked into, oh, I just want to lose these 10 pounds. I’m going to go on another diet or something like that. Whenever I get sucked into that thinking, um, that’s the piece that pulls me out of it. And you say it so well, health is behavior.
I think of okay. Lifestyle. Do I, uh, if I want to be 10 pounds lighter, my lifestyle would reflect that. So it’s not about the 10 pounds. It’s about what do I want to do to adjust my lifestyle? That health is behavior. I love that. I love that. When, when did you get so passionate? Cause obviously you have passion bouncing off of you. When did you get so passionate about this topic? What was your journey?
Geesh.
you know,
[00:07:45] Alicia Hill: Starting in high school, like most girls, uh,
even more boys now.
but, uh, just affected by everything around me and this ordered eating. I think most people have, uh, some disordered eating in their past or
[00:07:59] Kim Flynn: Talk, [00:08:00] talk to us about that. What do you mean by disordered eating? Give us some examples.
[00:08:02] Alicia Hill: eating is basically, you know, Well, it
[00:08:05] Kim Flynn: it can mean a lot of
[00:08:05] Alicia Hill: but subscribing to rigid rules. Um, describing a subscribing to.
Restriction.
of certain foods. Um, there’s a lot of guilt and shame. Associated with.
it becomes a moral issue. Our eating, which it, food was never meant to be a morality issue.
but it there’s there’s guilt there. Shame there’s cheat days. Right. There’s.
[00:08:27] Kim Flynn: There’s
[00:08:27] Alicia Hill: so bad because I ate this. There’s. Ignoring hunger cues that it’s all very much based on.
Trying to manipulate.
Your body through food.
And so it becomes very it’s a relationship with food that becomes very unhealthy, very chaotic unbalanced.
And it’s in meshed with
[00:08:46] Kim Flynn: diet, culture
[00:08:47] Alicia Hill: poor body image.
So that’s disordered eating think everyone can, you know, have some familiarity with everything. I just said at some point in their lives, You know, and I, and I just grew up in a
[00:08:58] Kim Flynn: in a culture.
[00:08:59] Alicia Hill: Even in my home [00:09:00] culture, where binner is better.
and it didn’t even have to have to be said out loud. You just know that.
living in our society. And so, you know, I’m just that classic.
Person who was always worried about how I looked and trying new eating patterns and, you know, it’s just, it was, it was.
upset. It became obsessive and it became compulsive and it became, I’m a so fixated on how I looked and what I was eating.
And so, you know, I did that all through my twenties and most of my thirties, and then.
[00:09:32] Kim Flynn: for you? What did, what did the obsessive and fixated look like for you? I think it’s different for everyone. I’m sorry. Um,
[00:09:38] Alicia Hill: it looked like constantly worrying about
[00:09:41] Kim Flynn: stuff there.
I was
[00:09:41] Alicia Hill: preoccupation with, what am I, what am I allowed to
[00:09:44] Kim Flynn: to eat?
[00:09:45] Alicia Hill: What can be depending on
[00:09:47] Kim Flynn: on kind of what phase I was
[00:09:48] Alicia Hill: through. Right? Like which diet I was kind of subscribing to at the
[00:09:51] Kim Flynn: at the time is
[00:09:52] Alicia Hill: what can I eat next? It was like my
[00:09:54] Kim Flynn: my whole life.
[00:09:55] Alicia Hill: was like a full-time job. It had to be devoted to what
[00:09:59] Kim Flynn: what I could [00:10:00] eat when I could eat it.
[00:10:01] Alicia Hill: What my workout looked like, how many calories was I going to burn? just this constant mental calculation constantly of.
What I could eat. I could eat. constantly stepping on the scale.
to see if there were results.
Um, my mood was affected.
if I felt. Like I was succeeding and then I was happy if I felt like I had, I hadn’t succeeded, I was depressed. And so it just, it controlled my life.
[00:10:28] Kim Flynn: Yeah. It’s a great way to.
I think everyone listening can heavily relate the, the piece that I am like, oh, that one.
Wounds me, it’s all of these rules. So if you’re a human alive in the U S today, you’ve probably been on, I don’t know, 15 different diets. Right.
And they all have different rules. And so if you’ve been on the protein diet and you’ve been on a low fat diet, a low carb diet, you’re like, oh, I can have cheese.
Oh yes. Cheese is good for me.
Oh, no, no, I can’t have cheese. Oh, she’s as bad. Okay. Brent. And so pretty much nothing is on the table. Like there’s nothing left that you [00:11:00] can eat. And.
[00:11:01] Alicia Hill: Yeah.
[00:11:02] Kim Flynn: It causes a lot of stress for sure. Does.
[00:11:04] Alicia Hill: it does. A lot of stress. And so when I came across, I came across intuitive eating, actually visiting a friend of mine who was in a residential treatment center for eating
[00:11:12] Kim Flynn: eating disorders. Wow.
[00:11:14] Alicia Hill: Yeah, and they were reading it and she showed it to
[00:11:16] Kim Flynn: it to me.
And it just
[00:11:18] Alicia Hill: mind. I.
It was a light bulb, went off in my head.
I just couldn’t believe it. No one had ever told me before in my whole entire life that actually you can eat whatever you want. You know,
[00:11:28] Kim Flynn: know,
[00:11:29] Alicia Hill: so it sounds so ridiculous when I say it out loud, but it was like someone had finally given me permission.
To let it go.
to not worry so much about how your body looked, because I didn’t know that you could do that.
[00:11:42] Kim Flynn: Yeah.
So here’s, here’s what I think as women and men, we have to give up, I think we have to give up the notion that we want to, or ever will be overly thin, more thin than our body actually is designed to be like, that’s the piece in all [00:12:00] honesty. That’s the piece that I’m like, oh, but when I get down to honestly over thin,
I look so damn good.
You know, that kind of thing. And it’s, it’s so damn good by society’s standards. Oh, I want to look like a prepubescent 16 year old child instead of a 45 year old woman with four children. You know, that kind of thing.
Yeah. And so I think for me, that’s the piece that I have to give up. I have to give up, um, uh, and continue to give up if I eat intuitively, which is healthy for healthy for my whole being, for my mental, my emotional, my social, if I want to be truly healthy. Uh, not going to be a size two model.
[00:12:38] Alicia Hill: Right.
Right. Because.
then You’re just fighting
[00:12:42] Kim Flynn: yourself.
[00:12:42] Alicia Hill: Like that idea to try to manipulate your body to a size that it was never intended to be. It is a constant battle with your body and that’s not healthy like that is, and that’s not authentic. That is. That is an actually miserable place to be
[00:12:54] Kim Flynn: be in is
[00:12:55] Alicia Hill: fighting and
[00:12:55] Kim Flynn: and disliking your body.
[00:12:57] Alicia Hill: Um,
we have to get to the [00:13:00] point where we can truly accept body diversity.
to realize that. Health is not based on how you look and
[00:13:07] Kim Flynn: that there’s going to
[00:13:08] Alicia Hill: bodies and every different size and every different shape. We were ingrained since we were put on this earth by
[00:13:14] Kim Flynn: by our
society.
[00:13:15] Alicia Hill: To believe that we all have control over our bodies and we all have control to have them be whatever size we want them to be with just, we just work hard enough. That is just false. It is false. And so. You talked about programming your brain. It really is about going in there. And peeling out those layers that are so housed deep in our
[00:13:34] Kim Flynn: in our psyche. ‘
[00:13:35] Alicia Hill: cause we that’s all we’ve been taught. Our whole lives is peeling off those layers and reprogramming it with beliefs that we actually believe in, right. These beliefs that. Those beliefs that diet culture have given us.
We don’t believe that, but we didn’t know any other way.
[00:13:50] Kim Flynn: Yeah.
strongly agree. I, um, so I went on a really intense, not just a diet, but it was like Uber healthy. There’s those trends right now. Well, they’ve always been there. [00:14:00] There’s like 12 weeks of super intense exercise, super lean eating that’s instant. There’s no like leading up to and building habits.
It’s just like instantly eat super lean workout all the time. And it was a 12 week program and here’s the kicker. That’s hard. And this is, this is how I think it gets you. Um, it works temporarily. It works. You look amazing. You look like you did when you were 16, only with muscles, right? But you can’t sustain that for a lifetime, unless you actually want to live that lifestyle, which I did not enjoy eating a piece of wheat bread and a piece of grilled chicken with no flavoring. I did not enjoy that. That is not sustainable for my lifetime. Right.
Um, but we get, we go on these short-term temporary things. We take the B. The after pictures within our bikinis. And we say, look, this is what I am supposed to look like. Right. Or this is my potential. And then we beat ourselves up for the rest of our lives, on what we used to look like for those 12 weeks, when we lived a life [00:15:00] that we cannot live, you know,
[00:15:01] Alicia Hill: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:15:02] Kim Flynn: me crazy. I wish I did not ever have that experience of, of going through that. Cause I’ve held myself to that standard ever since.
[00:15:10] Alicia Hill: Yeah. Yeah.
exactly where it’s like, well, I did it before, like
[00:15:13] Kim Flynn: like it’s possible.
[00:15:14] Alicia Hill: feeling.
But it’s not like you said, because it’s not sustainable and it’s, you can’t do that long term and your body is going to rebel against that kind of restriction.
eventually. Like it just will, it’s just physiologically ingrained in us. And there’s something there’s so many layers to what you’re saying, Kim.
[00:15:28] Kim Flynn: And then
[00:15:29] Alicia Hill: Really that’s just really a bandaid. Statement. It really is.
There
[00:15:33] Kim Flynn: There is
[00:15:34] Alicia Hill: much going on
[00:15:35] Kim Flynn: under that story.
There is so, so much it’s so
[00:15:40] Alicia Hill: but it’s,
[00:15:40] Kim Flynn: it’s,
[00:15:41] Alicia Hill: it’s like a short-term bandaid to go on this 12 week thing.
[00:15:46] Kim Flynn: To re that’s
[00:15:46] Alicia Hill: just covering up
[00:15:47] Kim Flynn: up
[00:15:48] Alicia Hill: that’s so much deeper, so
[00:15:49] Kim Flynn: so much deeper that
[00:15:50] Alicia Hill: within all of us is that we is in these beliefs in these.
ideals that we do look
[00:15:55] Kim Flynn: look better.
It may seated, right? Or, yeah,
[00:15:58] Alicia Hill: look better with [00:16:00] muscles.
[00:16:00] Kim Flynn: But
[00:16:01] Alicia Hill: you know what I mean? There’s so much to really unpack there.
[00:16:03] Kim Flynn: Okay.
[00:16:04] Alicia Hill: really quite interesting, but.
um, and there is, I do want to like acknowledge
[00:16:09] Kim Flynn: that grief.
[00:16:10] Alicia Hill: There really is that grief?
and that fantasy that we all hold on to. That we can look
[00:16:15] Kim Flynn: look smaller
[00:16:16] Alicia Hill: we try right. You know, that kind
[00:16:18] Kim Flynn: kind of high you get when you start a new diet and you
[00:16:20] Alicia Hill: results, it’s like this little, it’s like a little high that you get. And you even know if you’ve done it multiple times, that it’s not going to last.
But It’s still kind of that fantasy. You keep going back to.
[00:16:31] Kim Flynn: And
[00:16:31] Alicia Hill: when you learn, when you start to decide to reject that and to not do that anymore,
there is a sense of loss.
And there’s a sense of loss for a body you had when you were 16 or a sense of loss for that after picture?
That you no longer look like anymore.
And so There definitely
[00:16:48] Kim Flynn: There
[00:16:48] Alicia Hill: is a grieving process in that. And that’s very valid. And I just want to, like, I just want to make sure I
[00:16:52] Kim Flynn: I say that.
It’s so valid to grieve
[00:16:55] Alicia Hill: you, you were working for us for so hard or you wanted so badly when
[00:16:59] Kim Flynn: when you [00:17:00] decide to give it
up.
[00:17:01] Alicia Hill: At the diets.
[00:17:03] Kim Flynn: Wow. That is. Really powerful Alicia. I’m like almost like, oh, I’m going to cry. Probably.
[00:17:09] Alicia Hill: That’s what I’m saying. That’s why I’m saying
[00:17:10] Kim Flynn: powerful.
[00:17:10] Alicia Hill: deep. Sorry. Yeah.
[00:17:12] Kim Flynn: I love that. Um, I love the permission to grieve giving up the fantasy. Um, I do think that runs so deep for me, for you, for every honestly, everyone in this society. I think the biggest shocker for me was how shocked and surprised I was when I started seeing models that were like mannequins in target that were not a size double zero, like all of a sudden, um, you know, for our entire lives, we have only seen mannequins.
That are the size that we were when we were 12 to 15. Right? Like we, before we were full-grown women, we’ve only seen mannequins in those super small sizes. So when I started seeing mannequins in not just bigger sizes, because that’s on trend right now, like the plus size model, but oh [00:18:00] my goodness.
A size eight mannequin. Uh, women’s size medium, which is what my normal body size is. We don’t see that anywhere.
We don’t see a normal average size of women, we say really small. And then the trend is which I really support seeing a larger size women too. But what about us? Mediums? Us dead averages were not represented anywhere.
[00:18:23] Alicia Hill: Right cause.
that’s dead. Medium should be trying to be smaller.
[00:18:26] Kim Flynn: Yes.
[00:18:26] Alicia Hill: It’d be the small buttons.
[00:18:28] Kim Flynn: We’re just outside of what’s acceptable. And I, and I love that you said there’s so much to impact here. Um, and so there’s a lot underneath that. Let me tell you what’s underneath it for me and Alicia, I’d love to hear from you what was underneath it for you? What’s underneath it for me is just a value crutch.
That’s what I call it. It’s like, I’m trying to say, okay. If I look amazing.
I have more value. I have more value because the people around me, especially men for women.
Especially men. They will look at me and see me as desirable. And that’s, that’s heartbreaking for myself to think, [00:19:00] oh yeah, I am basing my value on if men are attracted to me or not.
At 45. That is my reality. That’s brutal. Alicia, tell me It’s painful.
Talk me off the ledge here. Cause I’m about to drop. It is painful.
[00:19:14] Alicia Hill: it’s, it just goes to show you
[00:19:16] Kim Flynn: you the, the Supreme objectivity that we have been.
[00:19:20] Alicia Hill: In meshed with our whole lives, that we
[00:19:23] Kim Flynn: we are
[00:19:23] Alicia Hill: bodies first and women. Second.
[00:19:26] Kim Flynn: Yes. Yes. Yes. And it’s, it is so
[00:19:29] Alicia Hill: and it was just, but I’m telling you that’s what’s so crazy is that we were just raised that way and nobody. Blinked about it, right. We all just accepted it. That what mattered most.
Was
[00:19:40] Kim Flynn: With our
[00:19:41] Alicia Hill: and how we were viewed by the outside world. And so we’ve started to becoming self objectifying.
And so we took that
[00:19:48] Kim Flynn: that on. We
[00:19:48] Alicia Hill: objectification and we put
[00:19:50] Kim Flynn: put it inside.
And
[00:19:51] Alicia Hill: started seeing the world through how other people see
[00:19:53] Kim Flynn: see us.
[00:19:55] Alicia Hill: And so it became.
it’s just so incredibly damaging and has so many horrible [00:20:00] consequences and yet, and so that’s what started to affect, well, we got to manipulate our food
[00:20:04] Kim Flynn: food in our body
[00:20:05] Alicia Hill: so that we have more privilege.
in the world. There is body privilege in the world, and that needs to be
[00:20:09] Kim Flynn: to be said, uh,
And very much so because of the society that we live in. And so
[00:20:13] Alicia Hill: that’s how it was for me too. And you. It’s so funny, you brought that up because. I’m in high school and I’m in my twenties. Well, then that’s normal, right? Because I’m looking to find my soulmate and I’m looking to want to be attractive to the opposite sex so
[00:20:27] Kim Flynn: so that I can, you. you.
know,
[00:20:28] Alicia Hill: more. I mean, it’s not
[00:20:29] Kim Flynn: not normal,
[00:20:30] Alicia Hill: just how, we’re how we think. But it doesn’t really go away.
You’re 45 is that you said 45 I’m 41, and that’s still there in the back of my mind. Like I’m married, I’m happily married.
[00:20:40] Kim Flynn: Yeah.
[00:20:41] Alicia Hill: still important for me to look good.
[00:20:43] Kim Flynn: good.
[00:20:44] Alicia Hill: To other people. Isn’t that interesting.
It’s just so it
[00:20:46] Kim Flynn: if it doesn’t, it’s
[00:20:47] Alicia Hill: like I said, how’s the very deep in our psyche, but one thing that
[00:20:50] Kim Flynn: that really was a
[00:20:52] Alicia Hill: aha moment for me.
Um, in my, probably in my early thirties was.
Looking at my mom.[00:21:00]
and her friends. Who are in their sixties and they still cared so much, like they were still on diets.
And they were still always talking about food and their bodies. And I remember
[00:21:12] Kim Flynn: thinking.
[00:21:14] Alicia Hill: Oh, my goodness. This doesn’t go away unless I do something about it. You know,
[00:21:18] Kim Flynn: like
[00:21:20] Alicia Hill: I looked at them.
and I said, I do not want to be 60 years old or on my death bed or 80, and look back and think about how much time and energy I spent caring about what I looked
[00:21:30] Kim Flynn: I look like. Alicia. It’s so funny. You said that I had the exact same experience with my grandma who was in her nineties. In her nineties.
Adorable woman. And she was like, oh, I need to lose these 10 pounds. I was like, oh my goodness. It does not go away.
If I am still saddled with this at 90, we’ve got some problems. So yeah.
[00:21:53] Alicia Hill: right.
[00:21:54] Kim Flynn: Wow. Powerful stuff. Okay. So what advice would you give, um, to someone who [00:22:00] is human like us?
And on the diet. Um, merry-go-round maybe they’re wanting to go on a new diet. Maybe there are on a diet currently. Maybe they’re about to go on a diet. Maybe they’re waiting for the motivation. Remember those days I’m waiting for the motivation to go on a diet.
When
[00:22:17] Alicia Hill: bad enough.
or when I care enough. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:20] Kim Flynn: So, what do you say to someone who is not quite as enlightened? As me and you.
How do you, how do you get off the merry-go-round?
[00:22:30] Alicia Hill: Well, you know, it’s interesting because I am a big believer in body autonomy. If you want to diet, and that’s something that you want to do. I’m not, I’m really not here to convince you to not do it. Uh, it, it’s not going to really work if you don’t want to get
[00:22:44] Kim Flynn: to get off the merry-go-round.
Um, you have to really.
[00:22:48] Alicia Hill: Sometimes it takes rock bottom. To get off and realize I can’t do this anymore, which I think you and I have both kind of alluded to that rock bottom. But it’s, you
[00:22:57] Kim Flynn: you know, it’s.
[00:22:58] Alicia Hill: It’s a [00:23:00] process. It’s definitely a process. And. So my advice really would be to.
Look at your life and look at what you’re doing and ask yourself, is this serving me? Is this something that aligns with my
[00:23:12] Kim Flynn: with my values? My true values in
life.
[00:23:15] Alicia Hill: Is this something I want to be spending so much time and money and energy on. And is this something that is contributing to my health or is it maybe harming my.
[00:23:24] Kim Flynn: my health? My
[00:23:25] Alicia Hill: I’m being honest with
[00:23:26] Kim Flynn: with myself. I love that. Absolutely love that. It’s it goes along with, um, permission to grieve. You’re also saying permission to continue dieting. If that’s what you want to do. Um, I love that. It’s it’s saying women and men just trust yourself. Listen to yourself. What do you want? What do you need?
Alicia, so well said really, really beautiful. Um, we are going to wrap things up here. Um, Alicia has actually a really big give here and Alicia. I’m going to give you a permission right here too. [00:24:00] Also, if this, if this gives you too much coming in, you can always say no. So let’s, let’s do this the first.
X amount of people. Alicia gets to choose how many people that is, but the first X amount of people who DM her on Instagram, it’s Alicia hill. Um, if you DM or direct message her on Instagram, she can give you a free consultation for intuitive eating with mention of this podcast. Um, I can’t promise you because this is going to be left up for years. I can’t promise you this will always be available, but if you want to reach out and see if it’s available, then I would highly recommend Alicia.
You were a very talented counselor.
Um, so I hope you, I hope you get all the, all the business that you need and want, um, uh, from that. So that was really a really big gift from you.
[00:24:48] Alicia Hill: Thank
[00:24:48] Kim Flynn: Um, as we wrap things up reminder that the goal of this podcast is to program your brain. To start instilling systems and habits into your daily life. And hopefully. The habit of no longer [00:25:00] obsessing about food and obsessing about weight and actually living our lives and asking us what ourselves, what do I think, what do I need? What do I want? Can be one of the habits that, um, starts, um, from this podcast.
It’s not about what you know, it’s about what you do. Starting one very small step at a time. We do have a giveaway from our sponsor card salad as well. If you’re listening to this podcast on any of the audio platforms, you’re going to need to go. Excuse me.
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